发表自话题:人类有什么细思极恐的细节
我觉得本剧最细思极恐的其实是normal这个词,到底什么才算普通?什么才算正常?
Connell总在佯装自己很normal,而Marianne却总做着异常abnormal的事情。纠结又可爱啊。
本回答会穿插书里与normal有关/剧里我觉得蛮有趣的细节~
【1】为书中与normal有关的内容~
[1]为剧里我觉得蛮有趣的细节~
既然是细节题,全篇都是剧透和很多很多图哦!
[1]It's different for you.
玛丽安与康奈尔他们中学前后为朋友辩护的说法惊人的相似:
【1】Conenell内心对初识Marianne的感受
和玛丽安认识,打开了康奈尔新世界的大门。康奈尔的中学好友们走不进他的内心世界,但是玛丽安可以。在看似孤僻冷漠的玛丽安身边,康奈尔表现出了一个不同于寻常的自己。
He could tell her anything about himself, even weird things, and she would never repeat them, he knows that. Being alone with her is like opening a door away from normal life and then closing it behind him. He's not frightened of her, actually she's a pretty relaxed person, but he fears being around her, because of the confusing way he finds himself behaving, the things he says that he would never ordinarily say.【2】一个不是重点的normal
在描述中学时代玛丽安着装的时候,作者Sally也用了normal这个词
A few weeks ago when he was waiting for Lorraine in the hall, Marianne came downstairs in a bathrobe. It was just a plain white bathrobe, tied in the normal way.【3】描述中学时代玛丽安对学校的态度
玛丽安和她的同学们不一样,她并不热衷于上学这件事。但这种一成不变循规蹈矩的生活对于其他人来说都是如此正常。
Marianne's classmates all seem to like school so much and find it normal. To dress in the same uniform every day, to comply at all times with arbitrary rules, to be scrutinised and monitored for misbehavior, this is normal to them.【4】中学Connell与朋友相处的模式
对于康奈尔来说,在朋友们身旁的正常言行,与和玛丽安私下的生活相比,完完全全是两个世界。每当想起私下和玛丽安相处的细节,康奈尔都会担心到事情揭露的那一天,他在社交圈里塑造的形象就要彻底崩塌。
If people found out what he has been doing with Marianne, in secret, while ignoring her every day in school, his life would be over. He would walk down the hallway and people's eyes would follow him, like he was a serial killer, or worse.His friends don't think of him as a deviant person, a person who could say to Marianne Sheridan, in broad daylight, completely sober: Is it okay if I come in your mouth?
With his friends he acts normal. He and Marianne have their own private life in his room where no one can bother them, so there's no reason to mix up the separate worlds.
很巧合的是,中学的时候康奈尔担心大家知道他在date玛丽安之后,他的人生就完了,走到哪里都会有人指指点点侧目而视;而这正是和Jamie分手后玛丽安的生活,一直到大四的秋天她的生活才回归平静。这是后话了。
【5】当Lorraine愤而离车时Connell的指责
得知儿子选了Rachel做舞伴的Lorraine非常生气,她努力克制着自己更负面的情绪,愤而下车,康奈尔对这一切不知所措,不经思考地说出希望让妈妈Lorraine表现得“正常点”,但是不正常的明明是他。
She opens the passenger door.Where are you going? he says.
I'll get the bus home.
What are you talking about? Act normal, will you?
If I stay in the car, I'll only going to say things I'll regret.
What is this? he says. Why do you care if I go with someone or I don't, anyway? It's nothing to do with you.
【6】Marianne离去的半年中
在玛丽安说走就走的半年你,康奈尔进入了放弃挣扎的情绪低落期,连学校的督导都有所觉察,把他的情况告诉了妈妈Lorraine。
或许身边的人开始对康奈尔的情绪指指点点,但是康奈尔已经没有精力来表现的像个正常人。他依旧坐在老位置上吃饭,可再也听不见身边人的聊天,时常游离开身边热闹的生活。
After Marianne left school in April, Connell entered a period of low spirits. Teachers spoke to him about it. The guidance counselor told Lorraine she was "concerned." People in school were probably talking about it too, he didn't know. He couldn't summon up the energy to act normal.At lunch he sat in the same place as always, eating sad mouthfuls of food, not listening to his friends when they spoke. Sometimes he wouldn't notice even when they called his name, and they would have to throw something at him or clip him on the head to get his attention. Everyone must have known there was something wrong with him.
【7】圣三一再重逢时抑制内心慌张的Connell
再见面时,玛丽安在人群的簇拥下吸烟,玛丽安真的像半年前说的那样主动和她打了招呼:
He coughs and, in a panic to appear normal, says: When did you take up smoking?To Gareth, to her friends, she adds: We went to school together. Fixing her gaze on Connell again, looking radiantly pleased, she says: Well, how are you?
康奈尔一边惊讶于玛丽安信守承诺,另一边吃惊地发现她开始吸烟了,佯装镇定地询问了后者,可是玛丽安并没有回答他。
[2]Lorraine的年龄
因为中学未婚生子,Lorraine其实比康奈尔其他的家长年龄大,Lorraine在康奈尔读大学时只有35岁,还有大把的精力出去玩耍啊~~
【8】重逢之夜聊起彼此的的心有灵犀
当康奈尔坦诚地告诉玛丽安,自己似乎有时候有读懂她的能力,玛丽安毫不迟疑地问他是不是指在床上,玛丽安的回答让康奈尔内心豁然开朗:在此之前他总在想,再次见面时玛丽安会怎样表现:
Before this evening he didn't know how Marianne would act if he ever met her in college, but now it seems inevitable, of course it would be like this. Of course she would talk drolly about their sex life, like it's a cute joke between them and not awkward. And in a way he likes it, he likes knowing how to act around her.当然是这样,玛丽安当然会云淡风轻地把他们之间的一切——包括性——像说笑话那样轻松的说出来。
但是知道玛丽安的态度,康奈尔也真实地感觉如释重负。
Yeah, Connell says. And afterward. But maybe that's normal.It's not.
They both smile, a half-repressed smile of amusement. Connell puts the empty bottle on the countertop and looks at Marianne. She smooths down her dress.
[3]Teresa
在Teresa(第5集)主动出击后,康奈尔的确和她dating了一下,还过了夜,奈何玛丽安很快在party后扭转局面,哈哈哈,这个细节很逗。
[4]Marianne与Johnna探讨normal life
【9】两人关系转折的那个早上
联想前一夜玛丽安撒泼似的质问康奈尔和Teresa的关系、向康奈尔疯狂求爱,这当然不是寻常的一天。
He's looking in the rearview mirror like it's a normal day.Actually it's the morning after a house party in Swords and Connell wasn't drinking and Marianne was, so nothing is normal. She puts her seatbelt on obediently, to show that they're still friends.
【10】与玛丽安打情骂俏的男生
在描述那些和玛丽安打情骂俏的男生时,作者Sally表示那些人都觉得自己的所作所为对“普通人”是有吸引力的,不巧,玛丽安不是寻常人。即便他们学校社团一呼百应,玛丽安并不对他们感冒。
Committee members of college clubs, who are dressed up in black tie very fre, and who inexplicably believe that the internal workings of student societies are interesting to normal people. Guys who make a habit of touching Marianne casually during conversation, fixing her hair or placing a hand on her back.[5]同样的电话对白,不同的处境
上次和妈妈Lorraine打电话的时候(第4集),康奈尔还每天缩在合租房里看书,现在的他(第6集),正快乐地和玛丽安过着半同居的生活。
【11】脑海飘过糟糕想法的Connell
He has a terrible sense all of a sudden that he could hit her face, very hard even, and she would just sit there and let him. The idea frightens him so badly that he pulls his chair back and stands up. His hands are shaking. He doesn't know why he thought about it. Maybe he wants to do it. But it makes him feel sick.Peggy提出三人行的那个夜晚,在她离开后,康奈尔脑海里不知怎的冒出自己其实可以随心所欲家暴玛丽安的想法,这个念头的真实性和罪恶感让他腾的一下坐起来:
No, no. Sorry. I had a weird…I feel weird. I don't know.She doesn't get up.
But she would, wouldn't she, if he told her to get up. His heart is pounding now and he feels dizzy.
康奈尔清清楚楚知道自己可以让玛丽安做任何事。包括此时让她站起来,而玛丽安对他内心的斗争和挣扎一无所知:
Do you feel sick? she says. You've gone kind of white.Here, Marianne. You're not cold, you know. You're not like that, not at all.
She gives him a strange look, screwing her face up.
Well, maybe cold was the wrong word, she says. It doesn't really matter. But you're not hard to like. You know? Everyone likes you. I didn't explain it well. Forget about it.
He nods. He still can't breathe normally. Well, what did you mean? he says.
She's looking at him now, and finally she does stand up. You look morbidly pale, she says. Are you feeling faint?
He says no.
She takes his hand and tells him it feels damp.
He nods, he's breathing hard.
Marianne says: If I've done something to upset you, I'm really sorry.
He forces a laugh and takes his hand away. No, a weird feeling came over me, he says. I don't know what it was. I'm okay now.
康奈尔扪心自问,他自己其实有实施暴力的可能:"Maybe he wants to do it",而玛丽安只会温顺服从,但在他和玛丽安的关系里,康奈尔从没把这件事告诉玛丽安。
玛丽安喜欢在运动时扮演submissive角色的癖好,在和Jamie的关系里才有了实施。
[6]Ms. Neary
中学时代,经济老师Neary只是单方面向康奈尔示好,康奈尔不曾回应过。
书中更多的细节是,Neary经常课下找康奈尔谈人生谈理想,康奈尔不主动也不拒绝,Ms.Neary甚至摸了康奈尔的领带结,但谨慎的康奈尔从未向别人提起这件事,他不想标榜自己,也不想给自己惹麻烦。书中的康奈尔其实怀疑过,自己对Ms.Neary内心本能的逃避,是喜欢的另一种表达方式。但是当一年后暑假参加完玛丽安父亲弥撒的夜晚,再遇Ms. Neary,无论内心怎么寻找合理性,康奈尔还是不能接受Ms.Neary的示爱,自己的确对Ms. Neary没有感觉。
That was an especially insane thing for her to say, because he actually was not【12】哥哥Alan的打压
Alan对玛丽安一直怀恨在心,虽然这个“恨”更多是他内心营造出来的错觉。
在那个上手把刷碗海绵的热水挤了玛丽安的时刻,他还不忘在语言上鄙弃玛丽安的能力:
Do you think you're smarter than me? he said.She ran the wet sponge around the inside of the teacup. That's a strange , she said. I don't know, I've never thought about it.
Well, you're not, he said. Okay, fair enough. Okay, fair enough, he repeated in a cringing, girlish voice. No wonder you have no friends, you can't even have a normal conversation. Right.
[7]Connell经济背景的暗示
玛丽安住在有driveway的white mansion,而康奈尔住terraced house上了大学以后,在轻松、流动的镜头下,康奈尔和玛丽安截然不同的生活方式被平静的带过:
当玛丽安在自己公寓的阳台与闺蜜们谈笑风生时,康奈尔独自一人在图书馆学习;当玛丽安在熟睡的Gareth身旁辗转反侧时,康奈尔在餐厅做服务生。到了周末,康奈尔还要驱车回家,继续去车行打工。玛丽安对于经济毫无压力,这成了两人第二次大矛盾(第6集末)的原因之一。玛丽安从没想过从自己家庭到康奈尔家庭之间的经济流动会让康奈尔敏感。
玛丽安第一次从剥削和被剥削的角度,看待自己母亲Denise和Lorraine的关系,已经是第8集,康奈尔财产暂时自由之后的事情了。
【13】书中对Connell与Helen关系的描述
和Helen在一起,康奈尔似乎忽然有了“爱”的能力。
他终于可以大大方方示爱,大大方方享受Helen对他的爱。当两个人异地的时候,他每天都要和Helen打电话,即便是电话中的Helen都让他如此心安。
即便自己和Helen的私人示爱短信被人发现,康奈尔也不再如临大敌——不过是寻常程度的尴尬罢了,这种尴尬不过是对人生美好部分保护的一种本能冲动罢了,他的人生不会因此玩完,这和之前与玛丽安的感情不一样。
It had never seemed possible before, not remotely, but in fact it's easy. Of course if someone saw the messages he would be embarrassed, but he knows now that this is a normal kind of embarrassment, an almost protective impulse toward a particularly good part of life.【14】试图向妈妈证明自己感情的Connell
Helen是康奈尔介绍给Loarraine的第一任女朋友,他迫不及待地试图让妈妈Lorraine感受到他们之间健康的关系,和Helen眼里那个美好的自己。
Helen is the first girlfriend he has introduced to his mother and he finds he's curiously eager to impress on Lorraine how normal their relationship is and how nice a person Helen considers him to be.可是越想证明什么,其实越是对什么没底。康奈尔试图证明给妈妈Lorraine,又何尝不是试图证明给自己呢?
【15】书中负疚下Connell对自己的洗脑
在书中有一段剧里没有的细节,关于玛丽安和Helen.
Helen起先曾经友好地试图和玛丽安接触,毕竟她是康奈尔一个听起来很特别的朋友。但是在接触的过程中,Helen看到的玛丽安是一个在party上和成群的男生打情骂俏、聊起天来长篇大论自我感觉良好的交际花。而康奈尔还依然不依不挠地试图为她辩护——试想一个聪慧的正牌女友此时心里作何感想。
在一天晚上,康奈尔在校园里等Helen健身完出来,一起搭车回她家。但他没等到Helen,就一下子注意到了从背后楼里出来的一群人中的玛丽安:
How could his feeling for her ever be anything like his feeling for other people?康奈尔在内心清楚,自己对玛丽安的感情从来无法复制,是独一份。
就在这时,不知什么时候出现的Helen叫住了康奈尔。康奈尔这才惊觉Helen的存在。负疚感让他内心忽然充盈了对Helen满满的爱,与同情。他试图认为自己和Helen之间健康、寻常的关系才是自己感情的归宿,他试图认为自己属于Helen,他试图认为自己现在正过着正确的生活。
He felt a vast rush of love for her, love and compassion, almost sympathy. He knew that he belonged with her. What they had together was normal, a good relationship. The life they were living was the right life.但这都是假的。
[8]Jamie的出现与酒
虽然第7-8集玛丽安才和Jamie谈恋爱,可是Jamie第3集就以背景人物的方式出现了。
第一眼看上去,仿佛会有陪伴就是最长情的告白,这种错觉。
他似乎很在意玛丽安,在男友都不知道玛丽安喜好的时候,他清楚的知道,是白葡萄酒。
但他偏执自大的的让人窒息:
在我看来,玛丽安漠不关心的态度,让他产生了玛丽安没有主见的错觉,与其说他喜欢玛丽安,不如说他依恋领导玛丽安的感觉。
在正式出现前,Jamie每次都沉默地呆在背景里。
到Jamie与玛丽安正式决裂时,Jamie洒下的,是红葡萄酒。
[9]泳池Jamie的细节
剧中,在Peggy夸了康奈尔的腹肌之后,Jamie立刻跑过去告诉玛丽安自己的腹肌也很赞赞,玛丽安实力演绎礼貌又不失尴尬地微笑:
没人关心你腹肌好不好啦!在Sophie邀请大家下水玩时,康奈尔期待着玛丽安也一起下水,可玛丽安立刻就被Jamie说服,留在了岸上:
Jamie不止说服玛丽安不下水,还趁康奈尔在书中,质问玛丽安康奈尔是不是对的人——不得不让人想起,红酒之夜,他说出"I am good at knowing what she wants"的那副神情。
[10]一醉酒就大胆的两个人
不得不说,酒是两人之间的催化剂,但是催化剂分正负。
在大一春季的那个醉酒的夜晚,玛丽安主动出击,两个人第二天便破镜重圆:
在大二春季的那个傍晚,是醉酒的康奈尔主动出击:
但心碎的事实随之接踵而至。
【16】意大利同眠之夜Marianne的痛苦
经历了下午和Jamie斗争的一切,玛丽安再次开始了自我怀疑,她不知道自己怎么走到了这副境地,她为什么不能像个普通人一样。
After a time he hears her say something he can't make out.I didn't hear that, he says. I don't know what's wrong with me, says Marianne. I don't know why I can't be like normal people.
Her voice sounds oddly cool and distant, like a recording of her voice played after she herself has gone away or departed for somewhere else.
[11]Marianne与Lukas在一起不开心的佐证
我还是不觉得玛丽安真正的喜欢以暴力的方式做一个submissive,在剧中,当Johnna问起她和Lukas在一起开不开心时,她本能地按压自己淤青的手臂:
【17】Rob葬礼
Rob是压垮康奈尔精神世界的最后稻草,就像康奈尔选择Rachel是玛丽安离校的最后一根稻草一样。
Rob去世时,玛丽安从交流的瑞典赶回来,上次见玛丽安的时候,是在意大利的别墅,那时Rob还在世,一切都是正常的,康奈尔还有回复Rob消息、给他打电话的机会。
而现在没有了。
The last time he'd seen her, everything had been normal. Rob was still alive then, Connell could have sent him a message or even called him and talked to him on the phone, it was possible then, it had been possible.[12]He/She is smarter than me
【18】追忆Rob
Rob葬礼上,康奈尔开始回忆Rob的过去。
毕业舞会上他给自己展示女友的裸照,不过也是在竭力寻求他人的认可吧:
Rob为了他人的认可,愿意无原则地做任何事。当时玛丽安他邀约Debs不屑一顾时,Rob破口大骂flat-chested,也是情有可原的。
康奈尔并不因此judge他,因为康奈尔自己也是一样,甚至更甚。和Rob相比,自己不过是善于把这些阴暗面隐藏起来装作一个普通人罢了,更重要的,自己遇到了玛丽安。
Nothing had meant more to Rob than the approval of others; to be thought well of, to be a person of status. He would have betrayed any confidence, any kindness, for the promise of social acceptance. Connell couldn't judge him for that. He'd been the same way himself, or worse. He had just wanted to be normal, to conceal the parts of himself that he found shameful and confusing. It was Marianne who had shown him other things were possible. Life was different after that; maybe he had never understood how different it was.是玛丽安让康奈尔知道除了获得别人的认可以外,生活本来还有其它的可能性,尽管这之间的区别,他自己都说不清楚。
【19】Rob葬礼后Helen的质询
虽然剧版砍掉了玛丽安与Helen之间的接触,不过如前文所说,康奈尔的掩饰加上Helen自己接触后的体会,使得她对玛丽安的生活态度并不太认同。两个人没能成为朋友,只是由康奈尔连接起来的点头之交。
结果偏偏葬礼上,康奈尔竟然在众人面前大声呼出了她的名字,两个人旁若无人地紧紧相拥。
Marianne touched the back of Connell's head with her hand. Everyone stood there watching them, he felt that. When they knew it couldn't go on any longer, they let go of one another.我其实也觉得Helen不会是那个上前干预的人,Helen是一个独立、性格健康的普通人。她有着健康、紧密的社交圈,有着清醒的交友原则。
但作为一个男友,康奈尔先是弥撒当众和玛丽安亲密寒暄,又在接下来的晚宴不主动帮她介绍给自己的朋友——在书中,康奈尔之前可不止积极向妈妈Lorraine介绍Helen,还会去参加Helen的家庭聚会、参加Helen的社交活动——所以现在这个weird又"normal"的康奈尔在Helen眼中真的太奇怪了:
Why do you have to act so weird around her?He frowned, still lying with his eyes shut, face turned to the ceiling. How I act with her is my normal personality, he said. Maybe I'm just a weird person.
[13]相似的楼梯跑走
第3集与第11集,非常相似的场景,康奈尔都没追上玛丽安逃离的速度。
[13]重合的独自离开
在第3集,玛丽安离开学校以后,康奈尔独自一人走在路上;在第11集,从康奈尔家逃出来的玛丽安一个人在路上边走边哭。
[14]相似的水槽
在瑞典的玛丽安,每天没有食欲、早上接的水晚上倒掉:
不过不知道明暗关系有没有隐喻玛丽安慌忙跑掉的那个下午,康奈尔痛哭一场后在厨房默默地倒掉了啤酒。
【20】2014年年底生活回归正常的 Marianne
2013年暑假和Jamie分手后,Jamie开始在共同的朋友里卖惨、宣传玛丽安的性癖好和去瑞典之后的诡异行为。玛丽安在圣三一的那些所谓的朋友们,无论是给康奈尔提供工作的Sophie,还是宣传自己是她最好朋友的Peggy一一离她而去,只剩Johnna。
那些过去的朋友们不仅抛弃她,而且还对她侧目而视指指点点,这种感觉困扰过玛丽安,但她很快又战胜了这其中的苦楚。
一年后,大家放下了她,她再次变成了一个普通人,可以自由自在地走在学校里、在游泳馆里有用、在食堂头发湿漉漉地吃饭,她不再成为大家的焦点了。
Marianne is neither admired nor reviled anymore. People have forgotten about her. She's a normal person now. She walks by and no one looks up. She swims in the college pool, eats in the Dining Hall with damp hair, walks around the cricket pitch in the evening.[13]Connel窗外的对比
在第11集挣扎投稿时,康奈尔的窗外是黑色的,等到12集当上了校刊的编辑,康奈尔的窗外亮了:
[14]Lorraine拥抱的对比
和2011年那个悲伤的拥抱相比,2014年圣诞节的拥抱太幸福啦~
关于剧情的讨论可以参考我的另一篇回答哦:
怎么评价《普通人》(Normal People)这部电视剧?www.zhihu.com时隔半个月,忽然发现只要男主漏点的剧集百度网盘都把全集和谐掉了呢~人人视频版本直接切掉了,是残忍还是自卑?我们无从而知~下一篇:《隐形人》有哪些细思极恐的细节?